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Zoriginating Mortgages: Can This Be The National Originator Registry We All Expected?

Zillow announced the professional side of their mortgage offering, last night:

As a mortgage lender (broker, loan officer, originator, bank), you have an opportunity to be one of the first through the door for Zillow's new mortgage offering, launching in the coming weeks. Based on our research, we are certain this service will be enormously valuable to both lenders and consumers. Since the product hasn't launched, we're not sharing specific details just yet. But we can tell you that lenders will receive FREE and unlimited access to Zillow consumers who are in the market for mortgages.

Greg Swann covered the offering in usual detail with Do you want some earth-shaking news? In showing us a first tentative glimpse of its new mortgage lending product, Zillow.com may in fact be reinventing — and perfecting — Capitalism:

This is what Zillow is doing — national, verified reputation management for loan originators. It’s really, really nothing for now, not much beyond a pulse check. And yet it is everything, because it is the free-market asserting its natural right, its sacred obligation, and its uniquely-inescapable power to police itself.

Do you understand? Where markets do not self-police — as with Craigslist.com and, more importantly, as with state occupational licensing laws — endemic, epidemic, pandemic corruption is the only possible outcome. These results, which we patiently observe almost without exception, all the while insisting that they are only temporary aberrations — these results are the only possible outcomes of arbitrary decision-making systems.

Todd Carpenter has been following the Zillow Mortgage Offering the longest.  His initial remarks can be found at Zillow Mortgages to give loan originators “absolutely free and unlimited access to consumers looking for a mortgage” :

No matter what sort of product they offer, the one indisputable fact that they have going for them is that they know how to develop traffic to their site. After a conversation with Zillow’s Community Relations Director, David Gibbons, the good news is, they’re going to offer up that traffic to you for free.

“Absolutely free and unlimited access to consumers looking for a mortgage”

He must of told me three times. I’m not surprised either. I asked my readers, and other mortgage bloggers from around the net to predict Zillow’s mortgage play. Then I offered up my own predictions. It still don’t know exactly what they have up their sleeve, but I think I’m more right than anyone else. David did admit to me that he doesn’t think I’ll be to surprised at what they have to offer.

Zillow’s business model is to create conversations between real estate professionals and consumers. They are trying to create as much content as possible to sell adds on. I think the mortgage play will be largely the same.

In typical fashion, Todd's scheming to find a way for originators to hugely benefit by leveraging the Zillow offering and wants to document it in our Mortgage 2,0 world by

I’m looking for a temporary contributor to lenderama that wants to write about their experience with Zillow Mortgages. This would be a six month experiment where you will post monthly or semi monthly progress reports on how the system is working for you.

There’s no money in this, but you’ll get lots of link love, and personal coaching from me as to how best work through their system. I looking for someone with at least two years of experience as an originator, and has a record of writing on the Internet through blogs, Active Rain, Broker Oupost, MBL, etc… Please email me if you’re interested.

Rhonda Porter weighed in, before bed time with Catching Z-Z-Z’s Zillow on Mortgage:

I’m lucky to have been included as one of the Mortgage Professionals getting a scoop before the release. And this has all ready been covered very well at Lenderama, Blown Mortgage and Bloodhound Blog to name a few. What I like the most about this concept (which not all the details have been revealed) is the fact that Zillow is doing background checks by an independent third party before they will accept a Loan Originator to be a part of this feature.

Morgan Brown is cautiously optimistic withZillow Launches Mortgage Lender Sign Ups - Points to a New Way of Consumer Control of Mortgage Process:

 

Can they do it is the big question. Can the complex world of mortgage lending with it’s checkered past, dark corners and spaghetti-like regulatory, licensing and lending models be Zillow-fied? If Zillow can put the consumer in the driver seat of the transaction while educating and protecting them they will have made a major improvement in the existing mortgage marketing platforms online. This should provide them a massive competitive advantage above and beyond the lead aggregators that attracts mortgage-seeking consumers to Zillow. More consumers, more quality originators, more transparency, and better lending experiences creates a virtuous circle of industry improvement.

I personally hope they can do it. With the fresh eyes, the resources and the brand clout they are uniquely positioned to start a sea change. It won’t be easy but the opportunity is there and Zillow.com seems like the best shot out there to make it happen right now.

Finally, I offered some criticism with Zillow Mortgage: Zoriginators’ Delight or Bane?:

Now, here’s my opportunity to be critical of the Zillow mortgage offering; they may attract the very least talented originators. We’ll see when the consumer offering comes out.  The traditional “order takers” of the mortgage industry ,with time to engage in anonymous repartee with consumers, are not the most talented of our industry.  In fact, they may lack the courage (and financial reward) to properly educate consumers about the appropriate loan product for their financial situation.  Let’s face it; if you create a model that encourages the commoditization of a financial product, you leave little incentive to attract the heavy lifters who educate and monitor mortgage opportunities for clients.

The disincentive for talented originators to compete may very well have Zoriginators fighting to offer the most expensive loan product (for some consumers) at the lowest cost.

Greg reported my speculation about the consumer offering.  I believe it will be a Good Faith Zestimate of loan terms, based on the predicting algorithm they use to create the Zestimate for home prices.  Again, this is absolute speculation on my part.  Sara, David G, and Drew, immediately turn into poker players when I question their offering.  They surprised me (delightfully so) with their mortgage professional offering and could shock me in a few weeks.

Here’s the big thought:  For all my criticism about the speculated consumer offering, there is no way I question the amazing thing they’ve accomplished today.  With one fell swoop, Zillow may have started an irreversible trend towards professionalism and accountability in the mortgage industry.

…and that’s a good thing; we need it.

 

CONCLUSION:  There's an overriding theme among the Mortgage 2.0 originators; we like the registration process and welcome it.  Our industry has not addressed self-regulation in a an expeditious manner.  There is no doubt that I think that occupational licensing is bunk.  Zillow Mortgage, however, is attempting to provide the equivalent of a user-policed mortgage offering that lauds the best and crucifies the worst of our industry.

This is a victory for the consumer and the good guys and gals who originate loans.

Comments

Brian, it will be interesting to see how this unfolds, I sent to my local lender so I can have a first hand view.
Posted by Missy Caulk-Ann Arbor-RealtorĀ® Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams-Ann Arbor) about 4 years ago
Only time will tell. I've not read up on this as of yet but i will have to have a convesation with my lender at Flagstar Bank. He will give me the lowdown.
Posted by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com) about 4 years ago
Brian, It sounds to me like another Lending tree.  I tried working with them at one point but they where very expensive.
Posted by Matthew J Blum - (retired from the business) about 4 years ago
Fascinating stuff Brian...not unexpected though.  Thanks for giving us your perspective and some excellent links.
Posted by Lola Audu~Audu Real Estate~Grand Rapids, MI Real Estate about 4 years ago
Thanks for the great information Brian
Posted by Mike Jackson Realtor Pleasanton Homes For Sale (Realty World Estates) about 4 years ago

Brian, It sounds to me like another Lending tree.

Read the linked posts.  Zillow is offering originators free and unlimited access to borrowers. 

Posted by Jumbo Mortgage Capital in California/858-777-9751 about 4 years ago
That is a great scoop of info Brian. Hopefully they will get things together and maybe this will turn out to be a very good tool.
Posted by Matt Yogerst - Metro Milwaukee Real Estate (RE/MAX Realty 100) about 4 years ago

Well for now There is a $ 25 dollar charge which is ok, But it showes you that know how to raise money too.

Sincerely

Joel Silberstein

Posted by $25 one time fee! about 4 years ago

Well for now There is a $ 25 dollar charge which is ok, But it showes you that know how to raise money too.

Sincerely

Joel Silberstein

Posted by Joel Silberstein Brooklyn NY Certified Mortgage Specialis (The Silberstein Group - Brooklyn NY Mortgage Planning Team) about 4 years ago
Probably worth a shot for a one-time fee of $25.00.  I'd like to do some more legwork on this but thanks for the heads up Brian.
Posted by Jason Sardi (I love kittens cute & My Jennifer!!) about 4 years ago

Fascinating. 

I don't see any relationship with how they will aggregate mortgage originators and the wildly innacurate home valuation system.  That's fatally flawed by design. 

I see this a a viable portal for originators contributing content and Z selling ad space. 

Could be very interesting.  Capitalism at work. 

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker, Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) about 4 years ago
Interesting but zillow has lost credibility in the property values they show.  I admit I go there for a reference point but generally go back to the title company, MLS is too slow in reporting. 
Posted by Patti about 4 years ago

Brian, I like what you had to say about originators without the courage or financial incentive to do the heavy lifting. I don't see how a centralized website could ever do anything but attract the quickbuck bottomfeeders that are chained to a headset in the basement of ACME Mortgage Co.

Still...if that's where the consumers go, I'll probably go there, too.

Posted by Joey Aszterbaum (Jolynne Photography) about 4 years ago

What good will a background check do? What will check for? Will they screen out the LOs who saddled people with pre-pays for an extra 3 points? Will they screen the ones who told borrowers to over state their income?

 

 

Posted by San Diego Short Sales (San Diego Homes) about 4 years ago
Hi Brian. This is news to me. It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Thanks.
Posted by Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Wayne B. Pruner, Realtor, GRI (Oregon First) about 4 years ago
Had read about this and wondered what the opinions of people would be. Thanks for the post and for sharing it.
Posted by Benjamin Realty LLC about 4 years ago

What good will a background check do? What will check for?

Ability to originate loans via license or employment by a licensee. 

Will they screen out the LOs who saddled people with pre-pays for an extra 3 points?

There is nothing wrong with making money on loans.   The Zillow Mortgage community create more information which creates a more efficient marketplace.  Profits on junk bonds, in the 80s, averaged 4-8% per trade...why?  Lack of market pricing information led to a lacl of liquidity.  Today, those margins gave shrunk to under 1%

Will they screen the ones who told borrowers to over state their income?

I can't imagine they would.  How would you screen for that, Bob?  

Posted by Jumbo Mortgage Capital in California/858-777-9751 about 4 years ago
Brian, now you can do it with their blessing!  It took them long enough. Have a great time. Keep everyone honest and above board!!
Posted by Gena Riede, Real Estate Broker Sacramento CA Real Estate (916) 417-2699 (Riede Real Estate, Lic. 01310792) about 4 years ago
Brian, there is always someone coming up with a new idea to make money.  Some are good, some aren't.  We will just have to wait to see how this plays out. AJ
Posted by Alan 'AJ' Nisen California Contra Costa Mortgage Officer (A Large Bank in America) about 4 years ago

I don't mind giving them $25, however I refuse to give them my SS# what are your feelings?

Posted by Steven Fishman ( Fifth Third Bank ) about 4 years ago

Brian, thanks for the info.

You mentioned this may draw weaker originators ( I agree) do you think that has been the case in the past with the Lending Trees, Mortgage Expo's and other online lead generation tools? Do you think that these tools may have put leads into the hands of lesser Loan Officers and perpetuated the current issues we have in the business?

Do you think these sites also draw weaker type agents?

I love the ranking and accountability, the only catch is to find away to keep loan officers out of the comment section, the will obviously raise there own score if possible.

I would like to see  a report on how sites that speew real estate and sell leads have affected the current housing market?

 

 

 

Posted by Founding Partner, ChangingStreets.com about 4 years ago

I don't mind giving them $25, however I refuse to give them my SS# what are your feelings?

I suppose that could be a concern.  I think you'll find wholesale lenders doing that soon; colecting social security numbers of all originating staff.

I don't think it's a bad thing.  If wholesale lenders verified that employees of originating brokers, and only agreed to talk with verified employees, we'd clean up the industry. 

Posted by Jumbo Mortgage Capital in California/858-777-9751 about 4 years ago

Hi Brian - I'm not sure what to think about this.  I had read about it over the last day or so over on BHB.  I wondered, as did Matt, if this would be similar to Lending Tree and others.  I'm not too keen on buyers ending up with another company like that, especially if it may end up being originators who couldn't make it anywhere else.  Except for those I've come to know here on AR and other networks, I prefer my lenders to be people I know locally and trust, whether they work for a smaller company or a nationwide company - I can see them face to face and they can be held accountable.  Hard to do that with a nameless faceless entity.

And of course, I may have misread all these postings and it may be nothing like that.  I'll leave the figuring out about all this to those of you who are in the mortgage industry and would know better than me.

Ann

Posted by Portsmouth NH Homes Condos - Ann Cummings New Hampshire REALTORĀ® (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire) about 4 years ago
Well, it seems as though Zillow is getting into a little bit of everything. It should be interesting to see how everything unfolds!
Posted by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners) about 4 years ago

Brian,

Thanks for the post. very thought provoking. You have to give it to Zillow for at least creating a model that provokes discussion. On the property value side, for me they still have much work to do!

Posted by William Collins, Vice President (FirstService Residential Realty) about 4 years ago

I guess will have to wait and see, but if Zillow lets the wolves in with the sheep, I wonder where the value is?

I'm looking forward to see the definition of transparency. I hope it works, but I don't know many LO's who are real good with that concept. 

I never said lenders shouldn't make money - what I said was "saddle with a pre pay too make an extra 3 points". It's situations like that is where the transparency will be determined. 

 

Posted by San Diego Short Sales (San Diego Homes) about 4 years ago

"saddle with a pre pay too make an extra 3 points"

That was the borrower's choice, Bob.  Prepayment penalties are used to reduce closing costs and are fully disclosed on a GFE and TIL, within 3 days of loan application 

Posted by Jumbo Mortgage Capital in California/858-777-9751 about 4 years ago
Thanks for the update Brian....
Posted by 2 Blue Chip Professionals, LLC about 4 years ago
Great information thanks for posting, Craig
Posted by Craig Cooper (Diverse-Capital, Inc) about 4 years ago

I signed up and got on the approved list. I'm pretty sure that they want your social to do a background check to make sure your going to be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

 Question: Is Zillow going to fill a void in the consumer mortgage shopping process? I hear countless times from borrowers on how they are supposed to shop for a mortgage and there is no straight up answer... You can try bankrate.com, lowermybills.com, lendingtree.com, or the multitude of other lead generating websites, however there is no place where a consumer can simply enter their loan scenario and get exact rates and fees unless you go to an online lender. If Zillow was to do something completely out of the box it wouldn't surprise me. 

 I think that the mortgage lending industry needs to get on the e-commerce boat and start paddling. Realtors are starting the new wave of e-commerce and it's time for lenders to get going as well. Title Companies are a completly different beast, don't get me started on them...

Posted by Darren Miller (E-Abstract Real Estate and Title Information Services) about 4 years ago
Brian ~  I am looking forward to reading more about this.  It sounds great to me to have this avenue to get in touch with the borrowers...that is, after all, why we are in this industry!  Thanks for the heads up!  :-)
Posted by Sarah Eubanks ~ Preferred Oregon Loan Consultant & Notary Public (Hill Valley Financial Services) about 4 years ago
Hi Brian. It'll be interesting to see how Zillow mortgage originators sync their numbers with Fannie Mae's 5% down rule in the "depressed zone". When a loan characterisitic is changed because of a zip code it seems as though, to some borrowers, that the opportunity for depressing part of the market base might also be thinly disquised as redlining, especially if the borrower has a 795 FICO and is looking for 100%. Isn't that what the Zestimate relies on; zip code? I'm sure those seeking evidence of disparity will jump on Zillow Mortgage when the opportunity arises. I think Zillow is doing a great job.
Posted by David Saks (The Real Estate Mart of Tennessee, Inc.) about 4 years ago
Brian, great post. Nothing is for free in this world . Lol I know they only want $25 to help their marketing out but this will be interesting to say the least. Hey, always someone trying to re-invent the wheel in this business and if it works, more power to them and many of us will follow.
Posted by This Account No Longer Exists (Inactive Account) about 4 years ago
I signed up for fun about a month ago, got approved in a few days and the response was "Sit tight, we'll be in touch in a few days to tell you more!" or something to that affect.  I have no idea what to expect...just along for the zillow-ride.
Posted by Richard Sweum (Sterling Bank) about 4 years ago
Well, so far it seems pretty good.  I started making offers today.  We will see what happens.
Posted by Don Draughn - Mortgage Professional about 4 years ago

Hi Brian ~  I have had several things be beneficial to me so far from this site.  I will wai to say much until one of them closes.  So far, so good...

Posted by Sarah Eubanks ~ Preferred Oregon Loan Consultant & Notary Public (Hill Valley Financial Services) about 4 years ago
Thanks for the information and links.  Can't wait to see where this goes.
Posted by Matt Odell, FHA, Conventional, USDA and VA Loans! (GVC Mortgage ) about 4 years ago
It is what we exected, Nothing!!!!!!  I have been participating here in my area and nothing to speak of, no real succes with it yet...
Posted by Frank Marta | Texas Home Loan Specialist (Nuhome Group, LLC - Houston Tx|Mortgage Broker| 713-373-0345) about 4 years ago

thanks for the links... I will check it out and follow the success.

Posted by Jack Climer Realty, LLC almost 4 years ago

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